Diskussionsnachricht 000029
23.09.2007, 19:03 Uhr
H. Herdick
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Die Frage in 'shavemyface' war: welcher ist 'besser' (in Anführungstrichen), den Futur oder den Vision.
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| Zitat: | My opinion would have to depend on whether or not youintended to use Feather blades.
If not, I have 40 years of experienc with my Futur (still working perfectly). I would characterize it as a harsh razor that can give you close but not particularly comfortable shaves. There are two bad design features. First the head is designed so that you snap the top on and off to open it to change blades. You also hold the same area to adjust the razor. Both operations expose you to possible injury from the blade. I 've learned to do these operations using a towel. Second users complain that the smooth body gives them a poor grip. I've never found it to be a problem and never came close to dropping it. A third thing I consider to be a shortcoming is that it has a much narrower range of useable blade angle. This results from a large minimum angle , which accounts for its harshness.
I've had my Vision for about a year. It's the biggest, heaviest DE, but that's one of the things that I like about it. The balance is super and the range of blade exposure is the widest of any adjustable (I'm not considering the fact that the Progress can be used beyond it's numbered range, which is undocumented and may be dangerous). The overall design makes it handle in a smooth, predictable way and keep closely to a line and selected blade angle. The razor has the butterfly doors that are found int the old Gilletttes, so changing blades is easy. The blade exposure adjustment is continuous, instead of being limited to click positions. I have heard complaints about the butterfly door mechanism breaking. The overall effect is the smoothest shave I have ever gotten and a total feeling of luxury. I love this razor and if I had to chose only one to use for the rest of my life, this would be it.
Understand that neither of these razors is for a newbie. The Futur is not user friendly and will need to be used at the lowest settings until you gain some skill. The size and weight of the Vision may make it more difficult to learn on. But once you'vee honed your skills, it's incomparable. Because of my experience, I took to it immediately, and I fall in love with it all over again, when I come back to after using other razors for a while (I have a rotation that includes a lot of str8s). I didn't get a single nick with the Vision for 6 months, and afteer that only because I was experimenting with using Feather blades.
If you're planning to use Feather blades, the character of the Futur changes. Suddnely, it becomes smooth shaving as well as close. You would still need to keep the adjustment way down to learn, but at least you have a comfort factor. When you learn to shave well with the Feather blades you will get incomparable closeness. It even beats out my regular str8s. The Vision required a great deal of practice to get it to work right with the Feather blades. I am getting better all the time and now it's approaching the closeness of the Futur. I had always expected it to be better, but Idon't know if that will ever happen.
If you're a newbie to DEs, your best choice would be a Progress. It's much easier to learn on and still provides superb, close shaves. I would recommend it over a fixed exposure razor, because you have the possibility of turnning the exposure waydown in case you have difficulty learning the DE skills.
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Seven wrote:
Joe, the Merkur Futur is since 1985 on the market. How you can youse it 40 years?
You're wrong about that. Mine is branded Hoffritz, but it's a Futur. I went online and found Hoffritz doesn't sell razors anymore. Hoffritz in New York became International Cuttlery. They sell Merkurs. It may be that at some point in time Hoffritz stopped selling razors and the Futur came out under Merkurs name.
My Futur doesn't have a model number or name. I just know that when I got it as a gift it was Hoffritz's best premium razor. I don't know how long the Futur has been selling mine is 40 years old and I know it was around for years before that.
I wonder if there isn't some way to trace the histroy of this razor like you can the Gillettes.
If you're interested I'll post some pictures.
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Johnnie wrote:
Joe,
Does it look the same as the Merkur Futur? Same style, look and feel? Did Merkur buy the rights to reproduce the Hoffritz Futur?
Johnnie
It's identical. What I think happened is Hoffritz had the exclusive right to sell, but it was manufactured by Merkur. I don't remember seeing Merkur safety razors here before 1980 or so, so maybe all the Merkur razors were marketed by Hoffritz. As far as I kow, they are a German company. I know they had quite an assortment of DEs.
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Oh yes. Thanks I forgot to discuss that. Although I don't doubt that you may experience difficulty at first getting the large razor head under your nose, there are ways to do it. I just come in from the side.
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Joe Lerch
Joined: 01 May 2005
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Location: New Jersey
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject:
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rustyblade wrote:
I thought that the design of the Futur was more recent. At the time it came out it sure must have looked quite futuristic and lived up to its name. In my opinion it looks quite modern in design, especially the satin finished model.
You're absolutely right! Keep in mind that the standard DE razor at the time was the Gillette, which was widely available. In order to live up to its image, Hoffritz had to come up with something way out of the ordinary for its top razor.
When you think about how long the Futur has been around and the fact that it still is commercially available and has a dedicated following today, it must be considered a huge success. The Vision took the wind out of its wings as far as being the headliner, but it's still in a pretty strong second seat.
From my point of view the Feather blades have breathed new life into it, making it a top performer with no effort from Merkur. Until I started using Feathers, I was phasing it out of my rotation because I was getting such great shaves from the Vision and slant.
Now, I can honestly say it gives me the best shave of all the razors in my rotation. Mind you, rotation has more str8s than safety razors and it includes the Feather Artist Club. That and the Vision are the only razors that are in contention.
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Joe Lerch
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject:
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Seven wrote:
I live in germany and I have my information from this german dealer-site.
www.roedter-messer.de/merkur.htm
Tomorrow I ask the factory.
It certaincly gives a date of 1985 for the Futur. If i didn't know better, I might think Merkur bought out Hoffritz, but I'm pretty sure they didn't make their own products. Besides, I have a Merkur str8 going back to the early 1920s, so I know they were an independent razor manufacturer then. At some point they were bought out by Dovo.
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Habe dieses gefunden auf shavemyface.com. was solls Wert sein? Zum weiterlesen www.shavemyface.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3763&postda...
Allerdings das erste Mal das ich davon höre, das der Futur schon 40 Jahre her erfunden worden sei.
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Diese Nachricht wurde am 23.09.2007 um 19:52 Uhr von H. Herdick editiert. |
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Das würde doch 'n Ding sein, wenn der Futur schon 40 Jahre alt wäre?